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	<title>Comments on: PG West Slides</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Karwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Karwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I can understand your point.  The talks were really only about 45 minutes long, and my talk had four main topics: EAV, Polymorphic Associations, Hierarchical Data Sets, and Active Record.  So each of those got about 12 minutes.  The point about testing Active Record-based models is important, but could only get a fraction of those 12 minutes.

I&#039;m currently writing a book, &quot;SQL Antipatterns&quot; based on the content I develop for conference talks and answering questions online.  I&#039;ll make it a priority to go into more details about testing models in the book, and include code examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I can understand your point.  The talks were really only about 45 minutes long, and my talk had four main topics: EAV, Polymorphic Associations, Hierarchical Data Sets, and Active Record.  So each of those got about 12 minutes.  The point about testing Active Record-based models is important, but could only get a fraction of those 12 minutes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently writing a book, &#8220;SQL Antipatterns&#8221; based on the content I develop for conference talks and answering questions online.  I&#8217;ll make it a priority to go into more details about testing models in the book, and include code examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the discussion about testing very interesting, and your points made a lot of sense. However, people often find other creative ways to make testing easier or avoid code re-use, and I&#039;d like to see those ideas hashed out a little more. For instance, you probably remember some audience questions around that topic, but with only an hour, there wasn&#039;t enough time to really think about all of them.

I believe you did answer the questions, but I didn&#039;t have enough time to think about the question, the answer, and how it related to your material. I&#039;ll wait for the video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the discussion about testing very interesting, and your points made a lot of sense. However, people often find other creative ways to make testing easier or avoid code re-use, and I&#8217;d like to see those ideas hashed out a little more. For instance, you probably remember some audience questions around that topic, but with only an hour, there wasn&#8217;t enough time to really think about all of them.</p>
<p>I believe you did answer the questions, but I didn&#8217;t have enough time to think about the question, the answer, and how it related to your material. I&#8217;ll wait for the video.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Karwin</title>
		<link>http://thoughts.j-davis.com/2009/10/19/pg-west-slides/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Karwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your compliment about my talk!  You mentioned you would have liked more depth.  I&#039;m interested in improving this talk and future talks.  What specific kinds of depth would you have liked to see?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your compliment about my talk!  You mentioned you would have liked more depth.  I&#8217;m interested in improving this talk and future talks.  What specific kinds of depth would you have liked to see?</p>
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